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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Dec 26, 2008 7:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Look for a while.....

....at this China Cat Sunflower:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd74-02-24.sbd.windsor.199.sbefail.shnf

I know there about a million different versions of this song played Lord knows how many times, and we all have our favorite eras, if not actual versions...I know many swear by the MSG 3/9/81 classic or the killer 11/24/79, the splendid 8/27/72 or the only 1977 of that year from 12/29. All wonderful.

But for some reason I revisited this 2/24/74 version again, which I hadn't listened to in a while, and was simply blown away by its utter perfection.

They meld into the MLB portion of the jam between ChinaCat and Rider like a sunset melting into the horizon, and then charge head-forth in a full fury jam into a killer IKYR. The pacing of the ChinaCat portion is ideal...not too fast, not too slow...Jerry nails all the lyrics...Billy's drumming is so smooth and confident and inventive throughout...it's all just spell-bindingly incredible and has vaulted ahead into #1 on my list of best all-time China>Riders.

I'm not even a really big fan of 1974 (blasphemy in some circles I'm sure) so I was doubly amazed that this version set my mind ablaze as it did.

If this version is already famously well-known, sorry for stating the obvious, but if it isn't familiar to you already, make sure to give it a listen...you won't be sorry!

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Poster: deyzof49 Date: Dec 27, 2008 12:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Look for a while.....

Grendel, I looked for a while, now i'm gazing. I hooked into this earlier, with a cup of tea while the stars were still shining. Joy indeed. Bliss. Praise the Lord Jerry is flying, the drums are everywhere, we got the roses and Donna. Winter wonderland indeed. Merry Christmas to you and everyone here.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Dec 26, 2008 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Look for a while.....

GC,

This has been my favorite China>Rider since the day i first heard it and none have been able to knock it off the throne since. Good ole Dr. Flashback had this one down as one of his Oprah Picks and he even commented on how great the China>Rider was. Majestic is the word that always comes to mind when i listen to the transition jam as well as to Jerry's solo during Rider. I actually would put this whole show in my top 5 and would argue that this three night winterland run from the 22nd-24th rivals any 3 night run anywhere imo.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Dec 26, 2008 8:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Look for a while.....

No argument from me. Glad you concur on the ChinaRider...now I need to go through the whole show w/a fine tooth-comb!

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Poster: tree-ap Date: Dec 29, 2008 5:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Look for a while.....at Me & My Uncle

MAMU isn't a song we think about there being "great" versions of since it was played SOOOO many times, but speaking of this Winterland run, I've always thought the one played on 2/22 was pretty hot.

Just remember, we all hear something different no matter WHAT we're listening to. But MAYBE, just maybe, you'll think of this song in a new light after a listen. Go ahead, I won't tell anyone.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-02-22.sbd.gans-latvala.samaritano.26763.shnf

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Poster: daliguana Date: Dec 26, 2008 8:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Look for a while.....

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Poster: CoCo Honky Date: Dec 26, 2008 11:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Look for a while.....

Better as Zoey next time daliguana. This might get you in some heat.....

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 26, 2008 9:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Look for a while.....

fan of 74 or not, imo 74 is THE year for China>Rider with 5-19-74 being the most superior perfect one in my book

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Dec 26, 2008 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Look for a while.....

Its not that easy, selecting the very best China/Rider...even from 1974.

Though I agree 2/24/74 is a colossal show (Cap'n Doubledose calls it "a hornet's nest of sizzling energy to be listened to NOW")

But I give the nod, by a cunt hair, to the phenomenal free-form jaming in Des Moines...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd74-06-16.sbd.cribbs.26452.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: barongsong Date: Dec 27, 2008 10:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Look for a while.....

I'm with you on Des Moines This is the one from 74 that does it for me. Might be an early tape prejudiced opinion but I can't seem to get past it. That said there are even later versions that I actually prefer overall so I'm defiantly in the minority on this one as far as best of stuff goes.

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Poster: yesss! Date: Dec 26, 2008 10:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Look for a while.....

agreed.

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Poster: snori Date: Dec 27, 2008 2:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Look for a while.....

This is the one I play to friends when I want them to 'get it'. There are many great China/Riders in 1974, but it's always worth going back a few weeks to this beautiful version http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-12-06.partial.sbd.nayfield.195.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Dec 26, 2008 11:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Look for a while.....

1974 is also my favorite year for China>Riders....but I'd have a hard time picking a 'best' out of this year, and I barely mentioned 1974 here:
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=211725

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Poster: CoCo Honky Date: Dec 26, 2008 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Look for a while.....

this was from the other night, but I think the Major suspended the Zipper... something about the State's 1st amendment.

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=222757

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Dec 26, 2008 3:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Look for a while.....

Check out the version from Boulder 12-9-81 for a stellar early 80's version. Phil just takes off during the jam and in IKYR>

http://www.archive.org/details/gd81-12-09.sbd.clugston.13061.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: K-Wave Date: Dec 26, 2008 11:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Look for a while.....

Thanks. How inspired the China/Rider is!

I gotta say I love this board. Just little gems and thoughtful discussion delivered each and every day. And so as to make it clear I ain't looking for a fight or nuthin', gredel, I find the tempo on China to *feel* slow. One of the reasons it is so grooved out.

Without getting into some BPM analysis (has that ever been done? I.e., prevailing tempos and tempo trends for songs in eras?) I'll admit that sometimes it is not about tempo but pocket and "push" or "behind" kind of stuff that Billy/the band excelled at. But even more so, what they pull of frequently is the feeling that things are getting faster/slower, louder/quieter at the same time. Not just in jams, but within song structures. Incredible.

Just wondering if any drummers on here can explain this. With this version as a starting point?

And again, thanks to everyone on this board. Such a resource, both as a repository of shows and insightful discussion. Combined, a real source of JOY in my life.


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